Ya know that one friend you have who keeps it real 24/7? That’s literally Kamie Crawford (she/her). And I can confirm the TV host, producer, and podcast host of Relationsh*t—which is officially back from hiatus starting today!—is actually like that IRL. Our Virgo rising energies meshed well over our Zoom call, so we went pretty deep in our convo about her career, like how she almost had a completely different one to begin with. “When I was in high school, my dream was to become a dermatologist, so I was very much on a traditional career path trajectory,” she says. “Prior to starting college, I won the Miss Teen USA 2010 pageant. I spent an entire year traveling the world and got a lot of experience in front of the camera. That was the first time that I ever thought, ‘I could be good at something that’s not being a doctor or a lawyer or anything that my family probably would’ve seen for me.’” From there, she started working as a host and got connected at Catfish when she was 25, aka her quarter-life crisis. But to her, it was the perfect timing.

I, like many Catfish fans, adore the authenticity that Kamie brings to the screen. And for a series that’s been around since 2012, you’d think it’d be hard to keep it feeling fresh. Thanks to her, it just is, and that’s why it remains one of my go-to comfort shows. As for her: “I have so many! I’m a big Love Island fan—U.K. version specifically. I love RuPaul’s Drag Race. I recently finished The Crown and am devastated because it was so good. Then there’s Love Is Blind, The Ultimatum, all of those shows. My boyfriend and I finished Lost, so now we’re binging Mad Men. Oh, and Sex and the City, of course. I feel like every woman in their mid-20’s has to watch it or you can’t proceed with life [laughing].” Ope! I guess I gotta add SATC to my watchlist ASAP.

As I said before, Kamie keeps it real. She’s cool, collected, and so confident it almost hurts to watch sometimes because I feel the opposite with where I am in life. I had to ask her for some advice about that self-doubt we all probs feel, especially if you’re like me and your 28th birthday is quickly approaching. “Self-doubt is inevitable,” she says. “A lot of the time we see people that we think have these perfect lives, and we don’t realize how much it took to get there and what it takes to stay there. I myself went through it last year. I was like, ‘What’s happening? Do I even know myself?’ I had to have a whole rediscovery process, and learned that we have to first and foremost give ourselves grace at all times. Then, tell yourself nice things. It’s cliché, but you do have to believe in yourself because if you don’t, who’s going to? There’s always going to be people in your life that are totally unprovoked, willing to tell you the opposite of what you think about yourself. Decline that invitation. Do not contribute because they will do it for free so you don’t need to. The negativity in the world is covered—give yourself something positive instead.”

BRB, crying again! Ok, pulling it together. So, I couldn’t end our talk without asking: How can we avoid getting catfished? (I’m married, so I’m obvi asking for a friend… and you guys, ofc.) “When it comes to dating, I still see people getting catfished on apps,” she says. “A lot of the time, these profiles are not very thought out, so definitely look into the details that seem shady or not specific. Like, who’s not promoting what they do for a living on everything these days? It’s in your Instagram bio, it’s on your LinkedIn. Before you even get to the date, hop on FaceTime, hop on the phone, ask questions! There’s nothing wrong with asking questions. I think we have this fear of being nosy or prying too much. But let me tell you something: Especially for women, when it comes to your safety, you can never ask enough questions. So I say ask away. Get that first and last name. Run a Google search. Be safe.” Are you writing this down? Good. We’re not done yet.

“If the person is putting off meeting you every single time you guys have plans, either they’re not available enough to even be in a relationship or they’re lying about something—their pics, their marital status, you really don’t know anything about people these days,” she says. “Just don’t convince yourself of anything that you know is too good to be true. We all can be delulu sometimes, but when it comes to meeting new people you’re potentially going to date and maybe spend the rest of your life with, I need you to ask more than, ‘What’s your favorite thing to do on the weekends?’ After the first date, I’ve got the full birth chart. I know your human design. I know your love languages. I know a lot. And I know where you went on vacation in 2008, so again, ask those questions.”

Got all that? Yay! I’m gonna go rewatch Catfish for the millionth time now.

To not staying too delulu 🤪,
Chloe Trout, associate managing editor